THE Q'S OF DOOM (not really) (returns) (you sickass mofo)

[Cavalier]

well since space is infinite...omnipotent gods are...well they have unlimited power so no anysize of a rock would be fine, but theres also the problem of if there is gravity... there isnt gravity everywhere, and the other factor is how strong is the gravity, still these things dont matter when u can lift any amount of weight [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[melfice]

I was about to make a quesiton like that!

But anyway, to both questions the answer is the same. IT IS A PARADOX!

the first one was the paradox of F. Nietszche because Who asures you that the nature of the sounds keeps the same while you ain't there? No body hears it! is there really sound? the answer is yes, but, does it notice anybody? (When i say anybody, i mean any way to register that sound) the answer is no. So, there is no way to demonstrate it.

About the God question, is the paradox of the omnipotenty. Can an omnipotent one do a thing that even himself could not bear? IF the answer is yes, then, he is not an Omnipotent one because cannot bear his own actions. But if you answer no, then, he is not an omnipotent one, because there is a thing that he cannot do.

To conclude. An omnipotent thing is impossible, because of its own definition.

[Xellos]

BUt I found a away around it!


If yer omnipotent, and you make somethigns o heavy you can't lift, then you must become stronger to lift! Then you make something even bigger, and you become strogner, and it keeps going on, so yer not omnipotenet for like a period of time while yer omnpotenece make syou stronger to lift it XD

[melfice]

That is a "Partial time" Omnipotency... ?_?

[mrwiseman]

You mean if the omnipotent god could make a rock so big he can't lift it? Well, this is a nice paradox, and it demonstrates the fact that no omnipotent beings can exist. I cannot answer yes or no, the only possible answer would be that he doesn't exist, really (as with my set of sets that do not contain themselves question).

Another good proof of the fact that an omnipotent being is just a foolish, impossible concept was given by Peter de Vries: "It is the final proof of god's omnipotence that he need not exist in order to save us."

[melfice]

A good one!.

[melfice]

what rules?

[Cavalier]

ah ah ah the rules were that u could not say he doesnt exist [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[Xellos]

eh whatever, you guys got it essentially, next question!

[Dragonrider]

Cav, you made a bad assumption saying that "The universe is infinite", actually, what the hell am I saying, everything is a bad assumption :-P

The tree may not "sound" if you're not there, what if its only your human interperatation that makes "sound" but really there is nothing at all? Hell, even if you're there to hear it, theres no proof it even fell.

about the rock, I like that question. However, if "god" was "omnipotent" and you ASSUME that he "lifts" things, then your question could work, but why do we give human characteristics to something like that? Why would he/she/it be able to lift things?